Friday, October 12, 2007
A better understanding
This post is a response to one of the comments that was made to my first post. I appreciate bringing my idea into question and I felt the proper response needed In response to two comments. Two Jacki/Rob...I question the method by which you come to the conclusions concerning heaven. For starters: 1. Ouranos is used something like 200 odd times in the NT and you cant really derive a hard and fast meaning from it, at least I would question the methodology that wants to take ouranos at every instance as being something to the intangible dwelling of the divine. 2.Sheol plays pretty heavily in Hebrew thought process, I grant that at some point in the process Hebrew people probably concieved of some sort of inbetween, heaven like stage, but it is FAR too much of generalization to say that the WHOLE OT has a cohesive view of what might consider to be the after life. You look at Job and some of the Psalms, not alot of glowing reports about the after life. Generally it has been my intention to bring some interesting ideas to the table that i have been researching, but I want to avoid just rehashing someone elses thoughts. As far as I can see Heaven is the dwelling of God and there is no sense in which heaven is coming to earth as much as the kingdom of God is coming to earth. the kingdom of God and heaven are two very different ideas, but in general Christian notions they have just been mushed together to create something akin to a big lot in the sky where God does his thing and just recieve lot after lot of believers to add to the group. As far as the realisation of Christs resurection and assention, Wright argues that are "presence with him" is meant to be held as a metaphorical notion. We take part in his victory and there will come a time where, not the assention, but we will recieve the thrones. My pain and my heart in this is that I believe the popular Dante-esq notion of heaven has lead the church astray from having a stronger eschatology. I used to not get the whole idea and i have realized more and mroe that that is a big part of what the Christian life is about. God has inaugurated the kingdom, its not here yet, but its coming.
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What about the Dante-esque picture of hell? I'm not sure the image we have of hell is entirely scriptural either.
I agree that the Kingdom of God (or Kingdom of Heaven in Matt.) have been confused, and that the Kingdom of God needs to understood in terms of his rule and sovereignty...which will be fully expressed in heaven but is not the same as heaven.
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